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Silas Abrahamsen's avatar

Nice post! I have two things I'd want to object to though:

First, when you compare Salemo (many many many people with lives barely worth living) to Omelas (fewer very good lives, and a single bad life), you lay out the options of either choosing to live in:

1) Salemo, where you have a 100% chance of living a life barely worth living

2) Omelas, where you have a 99.9999% chance of living a perfect, utopian life (this is even a conservative estimate; a large city having only 1 million people is unlikely)

But this framing is wrong! This assumes that you have a 100% chance of existing at all in both cases. Total and average utilitarianism only differ in cases where the number of people differ, so it's a big nono in this type of comparison to assume that you'll be sure that you exist! So the options should be a small chance of a very good life vs a much much much larger chance at a life barely worth living. I think that makes the comparison turn the other way.

Second, you describe adding 20 years of life to your grandpa, which "will be plagued by dementia and illness, making it so he barely has any happiness servings in his last 2 decades." In the last line you stipulate that the life is barely worth living. But I don't think the years you describe are necessarily ones worth living!

I think it's very hard to asses how good a life has to be worth living. You can always stipulate that a life in a thought experiment is worth living, but that doesn't help. I can say that Bob lives in fire and brimstone, being burned and poked day in and day out--but I stipulate that his life is worth living. Okay sure, but obviously I'm gonna judge creating Bob as a negative thing, since the life I'm actually imagining is not one worth living, despite my stipulation.

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I do find sadistic conclusion more palpable than repugnant one.

But it seems to me that the worsts offenses of both can be moderated if we embrace some kind of "complex utilitarianism" that depends on both total and average utilities, weighted by certain coefficients and combined together.

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