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citrit's avatar

good post! i have a few tentative rebuttals:

1. asymmetrical views in population ethics may hold that there is no obligation to bring about happy lives, but that one has a reason to bring about happy lives. since obligations are stronger than reasons, an obligation to not create disutility overrides a reason to bring about utility for yet non-existent beings.

2. wrt the presented transitivity paradox, I think it only applies to axiological PAVs. deontic PAVs can evaluate C>B>A & still hold that there is no obligation to bring about B in world A. arguably, the entire premise of deontological theories is that normativity diverges from axiology.

3. I think you just accept 1. identity is discrete, so a new person is created. i don't feel the pull of this argument, since, the same justifications for the asymmetry apply—the bad parts of the new person's life should not have been brought about, and the good parts were not necessary to bring about. there also seems something perverse about subjecting another person to unnecessary suffering in order to benefit yourself. if they accept 2, then there's no problem, since no new persons are created.

4. i think they would just say both mothers are doing something wrong. namely, bringing a person who will suffer into existence. those who hold the asymmetry can also say that both mothers are doing something even worse by causing additional suffering.

5. the deprivationist account has a few problems. i'll talk about just the lucretian symmetry: if one is not harmed by experiences they would have had by being born earlier, why are they deprived of experiences that would have occurred had they died later? also, applying it here seems odd. does one have an obligation to make others happy? this certainly doesn't seem obvious to me. if I had a dessert that someone else would enjoy slightly more than I, it doesn't seem that I have an obligation to hand it over.

on the button hypothetical, perhaps there is something good about pressing the button, but I don't know if there is a strong moral obligation to press it. suppose that there was a button that would create isolated beautiful landscapes full of aesthetic value that no one would ever experience. perhaps there's something romantic, or even good, about pressing the button—but would someone be obligated to press it? i'm not sure.

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You can solve this by denying that creating happiness is a moral obligation. It's a preference, a drive, or a desire. The only moral obligation is the alleviation of suffering. Because this obligation becomes weaker when there is less suffering, it is naturally overtaken by the desire to procreate. I think this is a much more accurate representation of people's intuitions on the matter. See this article for a series of intuition pumps, some of which present the (much more numerous and much more serious) counterintuitive implications of Classical Utilitarianism: https://anovermuser.substack.com/p/you-are-wrong-about-negative-utilitarianism

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